My (Expanded) MarketWatch Interview with Stock Market Wizard Mark Minervini
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Introduction
Mark Minervini is one of America’s most accomplished stock traders, known for his disciplined approach, consistently high returns, and proprietary Specific Entry Point Analysis (SEPA) methodology. With over 40 years of market experience, he’s advised hedge funds, won the U.S. Investing Championship with 155% returns in 1997 and a record 334.8% in 2021. He was also featured in Jack Schwager’s Stock Market Wizards. Through his books and mentorship programs, Minervini continues to train traders worldwide.
In this recent interview—edited for length and clarity—Minervini shares his insights on risk management, discipline, how he has generated consistent profits over decades, his outlook on the current U.S. stock market, and some of the stocks he’s currently buying.
MarketWatch: What do you think of the economy?
Minervini: Right now, we’re in an optimal economic growth period that is good for a sustained bull market. It’s a Goldilocks economy. You have 2% to 3% real GDP growth, which is a really good environment for a sustained bull market — it’s not strong enough to have inflation, and we’re not tipping into a recession. On May 8, our firm put out a buy signal for the S&P 500. That’s when we went 100% into the S&P 500.
MarketWatch: With the recent U.S. strikes on Iran on June 21, have you made any adjustments to your short-term trading strategy?
Minervini: The strikes on Iran may create short-term volatility in oil and equities, but history shows markets often rebound within 6 to 12 months. While oil prices above $80 could weigh on sentiment, with the S&P 500 still in a confirmed uptrend and our May 8 buy signal intact, I view any pullbacks as buying opportunities. Expect near-term volatility—but don’t lose sight of the broader trend. Our bottom-up approach remains driven by individual stock behavior, not headlines.
MarketWatch: What else could put pressure on the market?
Minervini: We have a lot of uncertainty right now with the tariffs, oil, and Iran. Oil just had one of its biggest rallies. If oil goes above $80 per barrel, that may be a tipping point that could put pressure on the market. Every $5 or $10 that oil rises above $80 could add to a recessionary scenario. Right now, we’re bullish on the major indexes like the S&P 500, but cautious with regard to individual stocks—particularly small and mid-caps.
MarketWatch: Why are you taking a cautious approach with individual stocks?
Minervini: Right now, participation is weak because money managers are not willing to go too far out on the risk curve, so they are gravitating towards the big heavy-weighted stocks in the index. For example, right now only about 40% of the S&P 500’s market capitalization is concentrated in just its top 10 stocks today, a level not seen in decades. For the Nasdaq Composite, the top five companies—and six if you count Alphabet’s dual share classes—make up over 40% of its total weight.
This is not a broad-based bull market. Money is narrowly concentrated. That’s why you see indexes such as the S&P 500 moving up to new highs but the percentage of stocks that are above their 200-day moving average is still very low. It’s a bifurcated market. If you’re in the bigger cap names in the indexes, you could make some money.
MarketWatch: Can you name any stocks that you like?
Minervini: We put a buy signal on Netflix (NFLX) in April because - at the time - it was the best name of the Magnificent Seven stocks, but it’s run up a bit now.
MarketWatch: In 1997, you were a two-time investing champion, and at one point, averaged a 220% per year return over five years. What do you think has been the key to delivering those kinds of results?
Minervini: The real secret is risk management and discipline. Discipline is the key—committing fully to a strategy, mastering its details, and understanding both its strengths and limitations through every market cycle. You see a lot of traders who are up big, but they fail to respect risk, and suddenly they’re down big, digging out of a hole and only getting back to even. I very rarely dig out of a hole, and if I’m in a hole, it’s a small loss. It’s a simple law of compounding that if you don’t lose big, winning becomes easier.
MarketWatch: You often emphasize the importance of risk management and discipline—areas where many traders continue to struggle. What specific methods or practices do you recommend for managing risk effectively?
Minervini: When you enter a trade, there really is no other alternative to manage risk except selling a position for a small loss before it becomes a large loss. The key is to get out at single digits, and to do that, you must use a stop-loss. Some people will hedge and maybe use put options—but that just adds risk—because you could lose on both sides.
MarketWatch: So, in your view, managing risk and maintaining discipline is the real secret to trading success?
Minervini: I’d love to tell you something new, but things really haven’t changed a whole lot when it comes to risk-reward and supply-and-demand. It may be redundant and boring, but if you want the hair on your neck to stick up, then you’re not managing risk. You’re gambling. When I was interviewed by Jack Schwager for his Market Wizards book, after I gave him the same answer, he stopped the tape recorder and said, “Mark, this is great, but this is what all the Market Wizards say.” And I replied, “Well, Jack, this is the reason why they’re Market Wizards!”
MarketWatch: Even with all that in mind, a lot of traders still have trouble making steady profits. What are they missing?
Minervini: Many people spend all their time researching a company and falling in love with products and services such as artificial intelligence (AI). Then they buy the stock, and the next day, the stock is down 3%, 4%, 5%, or 8%. They are forced to decide whether to cut their loss. ‘Oh my God, so soon? I thought this stock was going to go up!’ They didn’t plan for the stock to go down. When you buy a stock and the stock goes down, you’re wrong. If you sell it and take the loss, you’ve admitted defeat. The real fear, and this is what keeps people from selling, is that you’re going to sell it and it’s going to turn around and go back up. Then you will be wrong a second time. Psychologically, being wrong twice is a very powerful force, and it makes us hold onto a position, even when it’s clear it should be sold.
MarketWatch: What advice would you give traders right now?
Minervini: I would tell them to be careful because of information overload—including thousands of self-proclaimed financial experts on YouTube. You have to figure out a way to reduce the noise and commit to a particular strategy. You must become a specialist rather than a jack of all trades.
MarketWatch: Did you make any mistakes when you first started trading?
Minervini: I made every mistake you could possibly make. Everything I did then was the complete opposite of what I do now. I lost money for almost six years. I reversed all the criteria. I studied what winning stocks looked like and created a “leadership profile,” which is what I use now. It’s a technical profile ranking that compares whether a stock meets the criteria of the biggest winning stocks of the last 100 years. We look at the common denominators to see if your stock has what it takes to be a big winner. That’s what has worked for me for the last 38 years.
MarketWatch: It sounds as if you are a trend follower.
Minervini: I am definitely aligning my investments with the trend. The main thing is a stock has to be in an uptrend. I will not trade against a trend. Then I look for stocks that are showing relative strength vs the entire market. We also look for a technical chart pattern called the Volatility Contraction Pattern (VCP), which is my signature stock setup. If a stock doesn’t meet my criteria, I stay away from it. Many people buy a stock because of a news story or because their friend gave them a tip, but that’s not sustainable; that’s not a strategy.
MarketWatch: Is the market different since you were interviewed for Market Wizards?
Minervini: Nothing is different except things are faster and more accessible, which makes trading easier than ever.
MarketWatch: Some traders blame their losses on the algorithms.
Minervini: Those are just excuses. If you go back to the ‘40s and ‘50s, traders blamed their losses on big institutions. During the 1987 market crash, they blamed it on program trading and computers, which were basically algorithms. In the 90’s, it was the SOES Bandits, or traders who exploited Nasdaq’s Small Order Execution System (SOES) to execute high-frequency trades. There’s always some boogeyman in the closet. The algos aren’t causing the problems. The main problem is poor tactics and poor discipline. You have to not only have rules and tactics but have the discipline to follow them.
MarketWatch: How long do you hold a stock?
Minervini: The main thing is risk and reward. As long as the potential reward is larger than the risk, I’ll hold the stock. If my stock turns profitable, I start protecting my profits, but I’ll hold it as long as it’s behaving. I don’t hold for the really big moves like I used to when I first started trading. Now, I’m more of a swing trader.
MarketWatch: How do you know when a stock is too high?
Minervini: Sometimes, a new high is actually low. For example, I bought Amazon off its IPO base back in 1997. It made an all-time high coming out of its IPO. If you look back now, that was pretty low. I also bought Yahoo! in 1997 when it was trading at 908 times earnings. Then it went up 8,000%. Looking back, the stock was actually quite low.
MarketWatch: Is the market different since you were interviewed for Market Wizards?
Minervini: Nothing is different except things are faster and more accessible, which makes trading easier than ever.
MarketWatch: Some traders blame their losses on the algorithms.
Minervini: Those are just excuses. If you go back to the ‘40s and ‘50s, traders blamed their losses on big institutions. During the 1987 market crash, they blamed it on program trading and computers, which were basically algorithms. In the 90’s, it was the SOES Bandits, or traders who exploited Nasdaq’s Small Order Execution System (SOES) to execute high-frequency trades. There’s always some boogeyman in the closet. The algos aren’t causing the problems. The main problem is poor tactics and poor discipline. You have to not only have rules and tactics but have the discipline to follow them.
MarketWatch: How long do you hold a stock?
Minervini: The main thing is risk and reward. As long as the potential reward is larger than the risk, I’ll hold the stock. If my stock turns profitable, I start protecting my profits, but I’ll hold it as long as it’s behaving. I don’t hold for the really big moves like I used to when I first started trading. Now, I’m more of a swing trader.
MarketWatch: How do you know when a stock is too high?
Minervini: Sometimes, a new high is actually low. For example, I bought Amazon off its IPO base back in 1997. It made an all-time high coming out of its IPO. If you look back now, that was pretty low. I also bought Yahoo! in 1997 when it was trading at 908 times earnings. Then it went up 8,000%. Looking back, the stock was actually quite low.
MarketWatch: What advice did you receive when you were growing up?
Minervini: The best advice I received was to live as modestly as you can and save as much as you possibly can early on. Don’t be quick to spend money because that money makes money. Refrain from making those really big purchases until you can afford them. Learn how to compound money, not mistakes.
MarketWatch: Any final advice?
Minervini: If you’re new to investing or trading, don’t believe those who say it was easier back in the day. Trading is easier now than ever. This is one of the best times in history for trading and investing in stocks. Be patient with yourself, and don’t give up. Realize you can’t be a doctor or Major League baseball player in six months or a year. Don’t expect that to happen with trading, either. You will have to put in some time, but it’s worth it because we’re in the best times for investing.